- Theist: If there is no God, then who decides what's good and what's evil?
- Me: If you can't figure that out for yourself, I doubt there's any god that could help you.
Anonymous said: i'm glad you appreciated the message (: and i know plenty of Christians who would still love you the same, no matter gay, straight, bisexual, or whatever! i think you just have to find the ones who have a heart for loving people instead of judging, you know? and in that i can understand your frustration - i feel it, too. it seems religion is used now to condemn people more often than to give them hope and a home! as for what God did in the bible that angered you - what do you mean?
God killed so many people with his own hands. He would forgive people, but he wouldn’t forgive the Egyptians (first born sons) or Sodom and Gomorrah or the people in the time of the Flood. He explicitly stated that homosexuals should be put to death. In addition, God is supposedly all-loving and all-powerful and all-knowing. If so, why are there so many Africans that are Christians that suffer, get AIDS, are unable to feed their children, and die. God even says in a parable that the flowers don’t worry about clothing but God provides, and Jesus says that animals don’t worry about food but God provides, so God will provide for humans because we’re worth more to him, but then God doesn’t provide for all of the children in Africa or the other starving children around the world. Christianity and Morals have no bearing on each other. I’ve seen terrible Christians and nice atheists, Muslims, Jews, Etc. I’ve also seen the opposites. Some verses in the Bible are good, but others are simply horrible and I don’t think you can just take the good parts and say that there is a God…
Anonymous said: you will probably think my ignorant or a time-waster, maybe even rude for saying this. but. i'm praying for you. i'm sorry you lost your faith, and i'm sorry that you had to struggle and that you gave up on what you'd known ): and you most likely will not particularly like my saying this, but God didn't give up on you, and He never will! keep a soft heart and an open mind, and God bless <3
You seem to be one of the Christians that I actually like. Thank you for your kind thoughts, but I don’t honestly think your praying will do anything. You have every right to do it though. You didn’t waste my time; I like any messages I can get. The problem with the faith I used to have is that it completely attacked who I am: a homosexual. I still know plenty of Christians that I know think I’m a great person that would COMPLETELY change their minds if they knew I was gay. I’ve been hiding my gayness since I discovered it, and I’m only hiding it because of religious bigotry. That’s why religion angers me, and it’s why I started thinking about the Bible. It’s also when I decided to read the Bible. I finished it, and I was more an atheist then than I ever thought I could be. So many contradictions, so many terrible things done by God, and so many terrible things said about people like me. So I stopped. Thank you for caring about my future, for that, I thank you. In your own mindset, you’re doing me a great service, and I can see that you really care. That’s good; people don’t care enough anymore. I just wish you could care without religion, but you can have your beliefs.
"To reach this page you had to acknowledge that immaterial, universal, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality exist. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws are necessary for rational thinking to be possible. Universal, immaterial, unchanging laws cannot be accounted for if the universe was random or only material in nature."
This is on the second to last page of the website “Proof That God Exists”. The first few pages had me acknowledge that absolute truth exists, and that the items listed above exist. The last sentence of the statement is what bothers me. Who said the universe was random? In truth, I just stated that universal, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality exist. If these laws all exist, how is the universe random in any sense of the word? It is obvious the universe wasn’t created by chance. I simply have chosen to believe that the universe was created by the provable laws of science rather than by some invisible, all-loving, all-powerful man in the sky that also condemns gay people to burn in hell. After a bit more lead up about the laws being unexplainable, you provide this last bit of ‘proof’:
"The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn’t prove anything."
According to the creator of this website, the reason God exists is because he is the only way that laws of science, logic, mathematics, and absolute morality can exist. So the proof that God exists is that 2+2=4 everywhere. Has this person forgotten that people studied science and math ages before Christianity even existed? The proof offered is just a single claim that proves something ‘because it does’.
— The bible talking about human sacrifice… atheists can quote the bible too (via ryan-holman)
2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, 5 for each one should carry their own load.
(Bible NIV translation from Biblegateway.com)
Did Paul really contradict himself hardly a sentence later? Yes! This verse starts out by stating that people should carry each other’s burdens; they should help each other out. Only three verses later, it says that everyone should carry their own load so they can be proud of themselves. (And isn’t pride a deadly sin?) So in other words, help other people out by carrying their burdens, but make sure everyone carries their own load… Huh?
14 When Jesus came into Peter’s house, he saw Peter’s mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.
(Bible-NIV Translation from Biblegateway.com)
This one is specific to Roman Catholics.
Because of the iconic statement in Matthew 16:18 (“You are Peter, and on this Rock—Peter meant rock—I will build my church…”), Catholics believe that Jesus appointed Peter as the first Pope. However, as any catholic will tell you, Popes cannot marry; it’s against church teaching. However, right here in the Bible it states that Peter, the very first Pope, had a mother-in-law; he was MARRIED. Some Catholics acknowledge this contradiction and simply say that they know Peter was married, but they decided later that they’d change it so that the Pope could focus more on his duties instead of focusing on a wife. This means that the Catholic church teachings that have become tradition completely contradict the Bible itself. While this comes as no surprise to me—I know the Bible is full of contradictions—some Catholics are completely floored to discover that the very first Pope was *gasp* MARRIED!